tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post1168789256201169870..comments2023-11-05T03:29:20.511-05:00Comments on Mr Furious: Quote of the DayMr Furioushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03781439243585972721noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-82299502528796403942009-04-27T22:45:00.000-05:002009-04-27T22:45:00.000-05:00steves,
The only viable option is "a". ...steves,<br /><br />The only viable option is "a". Even Bush maintained the bullshit facade of "the United States does not torture" for years. Now that all the torture fetishists are aroused, Cheney & Co are less inclined to play that coy, but the purpose of all the memos was to re-define torture into a "by any other name" category.<br /><br />That way they can also keep Reagan immune from criticism.Mr Furioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03781439243585972721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-22452406251234592922009-04-27T22:38:00.000-05:002009-04-27T22:38:00.000-05:00Whoa, Otto Man is back from the grave and ready to...Whoa, Otto Man is back from the grave and ready to party!Mr Furioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03781439243585972721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-39774487495775989392009-04-27T16:59:00.000-05:002009-04-27T16:59:00.000-05:00There are other issues delaing with Executive powe...There are other issues delaing with Executive power, but I am sure the lawyers were able to somehow come up with a way to say that waterboarding does not fall within the definition. I think it is BS, but I don't work for the OLC and they didn't ask me.steveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862590608695420004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-26222328830984766982009-04-27T14:41:00.000-05:002009-04-27T14:41:00.000-05:00The other statements that Sullivan linked to from ...The other statements that Sullivan linked to from that Convention document are the following:<br /><br />"For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted..." <br /><br />and:<br /><br />"No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."<br /><br />I am not at all well-versed in legal-ease and all that, but these statements seem pretty unequivocal to me. So all I think is left is:<br /><br />"Reagan was wrong on this."Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13646775756345671112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-21779966354495050532009-04-27T14:20:00.000-05:002009-04-27T14:20:00.000-05:00Clearly, Ronald Reagan hates America.Clearly, Ronald Reagan hates America.Otto Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14051682366565874144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-11407047784174984632009-04-27T11:27:00.000-05:002009-04-27T11:27:00.000-05:00It is a good quote, but my guess is that the tortu...It is a good quote, but my guess is that the torture cheerleaders will respond with one of the following arguments:<br /><br />a) What the US has done is not torture, it is "enhanced questioning" or some other bullshit.<br /><br />b) It is justified because:<br /><br />i. The terrorists want to destroy us.<br /><br />ii. They will blow up all of our cites.<br /><br />iii. We don't want the terrorists to win.<br /><br />c. Reagan was wrong on this.<br /><br />To be fair, it is probably possible to find something bad or contradictory on almost any important historical figure. I haven't seen many people change their mind on this and my guess is that the same people that think it is ok won't be convinced by a quote from Reagan.steveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862590608695420004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-7539915283475066502009-04-26T21:33:00.000-05:002009-04-26T21:33:00.000-05:00Absolutely! This is a real constitutional crisis,...Absolutely! This is a real constitutional crisis, not for some bullshit like Obama's birth. In my opinion, the US Government is no longer accountable to the people. To quote the illustrious Thomas Jefferson:<br /><br /><I>Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government</I>The time is coming.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12508594597349248576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7313509.post-65881884125969903522009-04-26T12:55:00.000-05:002009-04-26T12:55:00.000-05:00Everyone who has a blog needs to post that everywh...Everyone who has a blog needs to post that everywhere.<br /><br />It's going up on the keg tomorrow.Noahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345059376742159966noreply@blogger.com